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Don't want to get into political arguments, but...........

I think David Cameron's Tories would be the worst thing to happen to the UK since Margaret Thatcher. They will make so many spending cuts, give the savings to the wealthy and the working man will be out of work. You're too young to remember what those Thatcher years were like. Mass unemployment, riots on the streets and a huge rise in crime. I won't go on, cos this isn't the place.

Let us UK babies just be happy in our nappies :D

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Mmmm the Thatcher years. Selling off of public companies for way under the market value, over buying shares in your pet cats name. Trebling your money overnight. Oooooo mmm the good old day.

Now if only i had bought water shares too i'd have done the set.

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The English election won't only change the UK, but also Denmark. I've heard that the Cameron guy seems to be a good choice...

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The English election won't only change the UK, but also Denmark. I've heard that the Cameron guy seems to be a good choice...

Don't believe the hype.

We will have 4,000,000 unemployed within 2 years. That is what the conservatives do. I'm not saying vote anybody in particular, you have to vote with your heart (and everyone should vote) It's just that I really think that the Tories are bad for Britain

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sadly i could not vote this year as the party i wanted to vote for was not standing in my aera again

why in a General Election that i cant vote for the party that i want

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You're too young to remember what those Thatcher years were like.

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With respect, you are too young to remember the years before Margaret Thatcher. Let me tell you what it was like:-

* Mass unemployment.

* Union dictatorship. Union leaders in Downing Street telling the government what to do.

* Devaluation.

* Exchange control. You were allowed £50 to pay for your holiday, including the hotel and your spending money. You could be searched on leaving the country to make sure you weren't carrying any more.

* Government overspending to the point that the IMF had to come in and dictate government spending cuts, just as they have done in Greece.

* Basic rate tax 33p in the pound.

* Council workers out on strike; no rubbish collections, no salting of roads at all, public toilets padlocked (well, that's bad news outside this community!)

* One hospital (Addenbrookes) paralysed because one single left-wing activist was occupying the medical records library.

* Northern Ireland ablaze. The IRA being appeased.

* Economic activity collapsing. Recession.

* An unelected Prime Minister in Downing Street, supported by the Liberals.

* Inflation rampant; I had four salary revues that year and I was still going broke. It finally peaked at 29%pa six months into Thatcher's government.

* Interest rates had to hit 15.4% under the new government in an effort to contain inflation.

* Interest rates deliberately held low, (stoking inflation) so your savings lost a quarter of their value each year.

*The Government was printing money (now they call it "Quantative Easing") because it was the only way they could hope to pay off the loans they'd taken out.

Now we have nearly all that again. The government can't increase revenue from the taxes because they are already on the wrong side of the Laffer Curve (look it up!). They cannot meet interest payments without printing money. The Unions are running amuck again, the economy is still in recession (unless you are so stupid as to believe the government's own statistics) and we simply don't have the stamina to claw our own way out of it. We are like a cancer patient in the final stages - dying of exhaustion because we cannot meet the demands of the tumours.

We will HAVE to make savage spending cuts. There is no money available for the tax cuts that would re-energise the economy, let alone to give any sop to the rich. My only worry is that the Conservatives under the feeble Dave really don't have the ability (Osborne!) nor the balls (Dave) to make the cuts necessary to get us out of it. The Liberals really don't know anything at all, and can only stand on the sidelines and piss in the soup.

Come back Mrs Thatcher!

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I gotta agree. The Thatcher years were the best I've ever seen, as long as you don't mind working for your money. Before that there was rubbish piling up in the streets and the whole country was on strike.

At the end of the day it all comes down to your philosophy and the type of society you want to live in. When Blair got in I moved to the States, took my diapers and investments with me :)

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Lets face it, of the 3 major parties, the conservatives are the only party that are both united and know what they are talking about.

Brown has had its day, too many mistakes and he hasn't got a single person behind him that would work with him. One who would work him though ;)

Clegg may talk a good talk but his talk is mainly "Im not the other two". Once you look past Cable all you see is a group of people who are grossly out of their depth.

Cameron and his party have their issues, the man is a photoshop politician designed by Blair-years and the party are "blaggers" but of those who have a good chance (lets face it, green, ukip and bnp will take some years to become in the running really) of winning they are the lesser of 3 evils.

We will be worse off whoever gets to power, but I don't think anyone wants to be in a worse place than we are now.

You can't keep singing the Thatcher thing to be fair, its an out of date argument as all 3 party are incredibly close to each others manifestos.

I vote blue not because i want to (none are perfect by a long way), but i dont really want to waste a vote by ticking any other box.

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I am an American. I play the "ignorant card."

Also don't forget to look down upon the Brits for their Socialist health care system and Big Brother government. We may be jingoist racist ignorant insular busybodies but at least we don't have speed cameras on all of our public roads! :cryingbaldeagleinfrontoftwintowers:

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One thing's for sure. Whatever the outcome (and the exit polls suggest a hung parliament) the story of the night is the people who couldn't vote because the polling stations were not prepared for such a high turnout. Now that's a f'ing disgrace. I've always looked down on certain parts of the US democracy machine for being incompetent and unable to manage the most basic part of the democratic process (looking at you, Florida, with your 'chads') but now it's happening in Britain. A national embarrassment of the highest order :angry2:

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One thing's for sure. Whatever the outcome (and the exit polls suggest a hung parliament) the story of the night is the people who couldn't vote because the polling stations were not prepared for such a high turnout. Now that's a f'ing disgrace. I've always looked down on certain parts of the US democracy machine for being incompetent and unable to manage the most basic part of the democratic process (looking at you, Florida, with your 'chads') but now it's happening in Britain. A national embarrassment of the highest order :angry2:

That was unbelievable that people could not vote! Talk about 3rd world voting or what!

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Thatcher got one thing right and America could learn from it. She stated "Socialism works well until the government runs out of other people's money"!

Mmmm the Thatcher years. Selling off of public companies for way under the market value, over buying shares in your pet cats name. Trebling your money overnight. Oooooo mmm the good old day.

Now if only i had bought water shares too i'd have done the set.

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I honestly don't know the answer to the UK's political woes, But I honestly don't see the answer in the people we have running the country now.

With a change of government you always get the complete turn around of policies that sot of leaves everything in chaos for a while.

All I do know is that one day we could see the good old UK being owned by the French or some other country after the place becomes bankrupt.

Over the years I have been remotley interested in politics I do know that it always to me paying more for everything and my income not increasing by anything like enough to cover it, basically we the commoners are getting poorer all the time and the rich get richer.

I really dosen't matter to us who gets in they still look after themselves at our expense, with falling standards of health care and public services that they charge us more for every year.

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I honestly don't know the answer to the UK's political woes, But I honestly don't see the answer in the people we have running the country now.

With a change of government you always get the complete turn around of policies that sot of leaves everything in chaos for a while.

All I do know is that one day we could see the good old UK being owned by the French or some other country after the place becomes bankrupt.

Over the years I have been remotley interested in politics I do know that it always to me paying more for everything and my income not increasing by anything like enough to cover it, basically we the commoners are getting poorer all the time and the rich get richer.

I really dosen't matter to us who gets in they still look after themselves at our expense, with falling standards of health care and public services that they charge us more for every year.

First, as an American, you can tell me to shove it. Second, what is with the outdated wigs on these judges and lawyers? Can anything make the Brit legal process look any more stupid?

The rich always get richer, that is inevitable. Making a $1,000,000 from nothing is hard, making $10,000,000 is easy if you start with $9,000,000.

I do not begrudge the rich, for the most part, except for George Soros. The trouble with class warfare, as stoked by the current US mis-administration is that the rich can leave while I am stuck here to pay an even larger part of my pay to support the unproductive.

I begrudge the slothful poor on the public dole that think they are owed every convenience while I have to work 50-60 hours a week to support myself and their three children born out of wedlock by three different fathers. They have a nicer car, subsidized housing and a bigger TV than I do and they have a lot more time to enjoy it.

Those that need public assistance should get it but the churches and other charitable organizations should be the first line of support. While not a religious person I do think religion gives many people an anchor that allows them the ability cope with their situation.

I admired Mrs Thatcher, she was wise and a great ally to the free world, much like my hero, Ronald Reagan. The simple fact is you can't give everything to everybody or the whole thing collapses in record time. When robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul.

I hope the UK can dig out of their mess. I'm not sure the US will if Obamanation keeps spending us into obamalivion and claims it was all Bush's fault for the next 2 years.

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First, as an American, you can tell me to shove it. Second, what is with the outdated wigs on these judges and lawyers? Can anything make the Brit legal process look any more stupid?

I admired Mrs Thatcher, she was wise and a great ally to the free world, much like my hero, Ronald Reagan. The simple fact is you can't give everything to everybody or the whole thing collapses in record time. When robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul.

I hope the UK can dig out of their mess. I'm not sure the US will if Obamanation keeps spending us into obamalivion and claims it was all Bush's fault for the next 2 years.

You would have to face some of those silly old wigs across a courtroom before you would understand that. They also wear silly outdated gowns, just like your judges.

Rome, one of the most populous cities in the ancient world fell to a miserable barbarian horde who were far outnumbered by the inhabitants of the city. What finished Rome was the collossal imbalance of incomes between the tiny Senatorial class, and the massive number of Plebes and slaves; when it came ot the crunch, the aristocrats were too few in number to defend their estates and the common folk had no interest at all in preserving the status quo. France went the same way in 1789. Britain managed to survive by chopping the heads off a few aristos now and again rather than all at once; the necessary reforms were made to keep the common people invested in the system, rather than disenfranchising them economically or politically.

Yes, I agree that Obama will spend you into oblivion, just like all the other recent administrations have tried to do. The USA is now a wholly owned subsidiary of China. What is needed, on both sides of the Atlantic is a constitutional limit on the amount of State expenditure as a proportion of Gross National Product. If a government exceeds that limit, all its members are banned from holding public office. This would require an auditing body outside the normal elected process. We are rather better placed to provide that than you are, either by Royal Prerogative or by EU diktat. Fortunately we haven't quite hit the buffers - yet - although there is a call to try certain members of the previous government on an extensive range of charges, including treason.

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