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The head of department? You make it sound like Trans Therapy is an area of the NHS.

Trans therapy is a sub-division of mental health services for paperwork and whatever hospital will contract out surgery if and when.

There's nobody to speak too who can make it go faster, I can't admit myself to Charring Cross and unless I get 4 referrals they wont take me in anyway, hence why I want the thing to come back.

It doesn't help my live in situation, but frankly the NHS are slow for me.

And I dare not put in a complaint until the 4th referral comes back as the professor when dictating the letter put in a sub-paragraph saying a complaint would follow if I wasn't referred promptly.

If I find out my GP surgery lied to me again today, a complaint will probably follow, but it's not likely as if I'm moving out of the catchment area that will be excuse enough just to drop me and not make the referral. If that happens, I'm back to square 1 and will need a new GP to get a new set of referrals for a new Primary Care Trust's approval.

I'm trying to think of ways to help, possibly speaking to one of the resident gender therapists at the hospital you want to attend personally over the phone or e-mail if that was possible? Like explain the situation to them....

The NHS problem is were not there concern, they don't put much effort in to helping us although things are looking up if the NHS in England can follow the way Scotland has went. In the end it all comes down to money and a lot of primary care trusts don't have much money to play with.

You could possibly try Edinburgh's Royal Infirmary if it's not too out the way. The therapist there is Lyndsay Msykow and i've heard she's quite good. If you can, you could always phone and give it try, it doesn't do any harm :)

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Horrible creatures. Abusive at worst, and of very little help at best. I think that (in the U.S. at least) people would just be better off making the decision for themselves in the vast majority of cases. I mean seriously, who has actually received GID as a diagnosis without entering the office already aware that they were dissatisfied with their gender? At the absolute most, they should make sure that you are mentally/emotionally/legally competent.

If I had stayed with my first therapist and never decided to just order the hormones off the internet, I probably would just now be starting on them. The masculinization would have been tremendous and my entire life would have been permanently marked by the ineptitude of an alleged expert. Fuck that, people should make their own decisions even if it hurts them. I would consider it preferable to self-harm than be forced into a system of institutional harm at least.

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Thing is, if I jsut went abroad (perish the thought) and had everything fixed just like that, there's no guarantee that I would get a Gender Recognition Certificate, and without that piece of paper, it will say 'male' on my identification forever.

Similar situations can occur here. You do need to have a referral to a surgeon and you do need to have the surgeon provide proper documentation(which if you got in another country, often has to be notarized in that country. I can only imagine that's real fun for the people who go to Thailand. D:) that you have undergone irreversible surgery to change your legal records.

I don't think that such a thing should be necessary though. At the very most, any M.D. should be able to verify that you have had such a surgery.(again, speaking for here, things are so different over there I wouldn't even know where to begin...)

And on the self harm issue, if a TG person were to harm them-self, they would be deemed suffering from a reactive depressive disorder and have the medication piled upon them, not until that problem was 'fixed' would they be treated.

I am somewhat aware of that situation, though I use 'self-harm' with a different sort of connotation. I was more referring to the idea that I think it would be healthier for the individual to come to harm as a result of their own decisions as opposed to the decision of an expert. That is to say, if transition were not appropriate for an individual, it would be preferable for them to go through with it and regret it of their own accord. Instead, we are left with a situation where countless people are at the mercy of idiots. With nationalized healthcare, things are a bit fuzzier I will admit. You can't just throw money at everybody who walks in the door.

At any rate, it's clear that you know what you want. I find it outrageous that the current model of treating transsexualism by the NHS is so horrendously obsolete. I've even talked to some people who were told that they 'never functioned in a masculine identity role, so they need to establish that they can do so prior to taking steps to begin transition.' I even talked to one poor girl who was told by her therapist that she NEED TO GO OUT AND GET A GIRLFRIEND SO SHE COULD SEE WHAT SHE THOUGHT ABOUT IT before she could move forward. I mean what the everloving hell? The egregious lack of concern or ethical thinking behind that 'advice' is shockingly out of touch with reality. Argh, I'm getting off on a tangent...

...my main concern with the gatekeeper system being in place(especially from a legal standpoint) is that bureaucrats move even more slowly than the therapists do.(and have even less of a clue what they are talking about) There needs to be something put into place which allows the standards to be changed without a new legislation being drawn up every time it happens, like an expert panel.

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Abrera, not knocking the uk, love your country you guys created Dr. Who but damn is your healthcare a mess. I know we got problems here but all I have to do is just open a phone book and start calling. Obviously I'm not a TG, however I can't help but feel sorry when it comes to getting support and therapy. Here's my two cents

1.) Until there's a more readily acceptable way to test and prove TGism in the individual there will always be doubters and obstacles as far as treatment on a federal and local level. As I understand as it is now they can only test upon death via autopsy.

2.) Just because someone is a shrink doesn't mean they are right for you. Just as there are specialist in gastro intestinal and endocrine there are specialists within the psychiatric community. Please use your local support groups if for nothing else just to find the right shrink. Even as an abdl if I had to go to a shrink regarding the issue, I would choose a sex therapist over one who works with social services, the treatment and understanding would be a big difference.

Okay folks that was my two cents, have an awesome day.

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1.) The autopsy is not conclusive, they reckon TG people have brains of a similar size as their CG counterparts, but you'll always get the clever folks with big brains. I have a big head, does that count? XD

What would you reckon as 'conclusive?'

We're referring to this study...

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034

...right?

There's some evidence that HRT changes the shape of the brain itself also:

http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/155/suppl_1/S107

There are also other phenotypical differences:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6TBX-4H16P9S-1/2/ae91dff18b1b99385054e3bf971d47f9

http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/bhm216

http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=1993-13371-001&CFID=6359056&CFTOKEN=90852718

That's just a smattering of what's out there of course, but there are only so many free articles at my fingertips.

Of course, I'm still in the 'it doesn't matter why people transition' category.

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People are entitled to do what they want to do, however until medical necessity is proven then insurance won't cover it and people will have the right to their opinion about whether or not your a freak. You can't call a cleft lip kid a freak, just as if transitioning could be a proven condition people would be more inclined to respect the procedure.

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People are entitled to do what they want to do, however until medical necessity is proven then insurance won't cover it and people will have the right to their opinion about whether or not your a freak.

Some insurance companies do cover it. However, that's a private matter handled by the insurance company. It is 100% within the providence of the insurance company to cover whatever they want. Many insurance companies, as it stands today, do not cover many procedures and medications recognized as necessary and/or efficacious. No amount of medical necessity will force the insurance companies to cover the cost of transitioning.

You can't call a cleft lip kid a freak,

Actually, you sure can.

just as if transitioning could be a proven condition people would be more inclined to respect the procedure.

Right, which is implicit that there is something inherently wrong with transition and it needs an excuse. I'm well aware that people are more likely to respect the decision if they feel like it has a medical etiology, I simply deny the validity of this attitude.(as well as the notion that all transsexual/transgendered people pursue transition for purely physiological reasons) There is nothing morally or ethically objectionable about transition if the individual in question is securing the procedure with their own private funds. People who do not show atypical sexual dimorphism or a medical etiology are no less 'freaks' than those who choose to do so for any other reason. I feel this way because I feel that there is nothing that needs to be justified in the realm of what somebody does with their own body.

Wearing diapers doesn't make somebody a freak. I think most people here would agree that it doesn't need any kind of medical etiology behind it. While I am aware that gender identity is a world away from something as compartmentalized as a fetish or taste, it should likewise demand no medical etiology in order to stand as self-justified. The worth of an individual is based on much less tangible factors than either of the things mentioned, and no particular instance should warrant condemnation.

For what it's worth, I tell people that I made a choice based on some feelings that I had been dealing with all of my life. I don't relate to the idea of being "a woman trapped in a man's body." Rather, I made a decision to enact a self-affirmed sense of identity. It's what felt right to me, so that's what I did, and I think that it's harmful to transsexuals(and society's opinion of them in the end) to try and conform to this politically correct cookie cutter framework for who they should be. Everybody that transitions has different reasons for doing so. Since that's the truth, that's what we should show to the world as a group in my opinion. If they spit us out and skewer us on stakes for it, well then that's the price I'm willing to pay for being honest with myself and other people.

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I went to one for over a year,first was a lot of questions and answers.Then out of the blue she wanted me to dress for her.She supplied the clothes,taking me from my early years to the present.I felt odd at first her seeing me,but soon became at ease.

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