Democrat Or Republican?

[Pull-ups man]

I would vote for Obama, I really believe in him and feel that the U.S. really DOES need change! I mean the war in Iraq, economic crisis (housing), etc.

And plus Sen. Obama is half black (let's say black), which, I think, would be a great satisfaction for M.L.King, who fought for blacks and other minorities to vote 40 years ago.

Of course, I am a foreigner, but I used to live in Canada for many years and still have strong ties to North America, so the results of this presidential vote is important, because it will affect a great amount of people on this Earth.

what are your thoughts?

*EDIT: 21. September 2008, 12:53 a.m.

[BoTox]

And this is why we don't allow outsiders to vote in our elections, especially socialist Europeans.

I would term myself a conservative. If a Democrat ran on a more conservative platform, I'd vote for them first. I have voted for several Democrats in my many years as a voting citizen. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any real conservative candidates running at the moment. I will vote for McCain simply because he doesn't fail the NRA test like F- Obama. With Palin on the ticket, it seems there is hope in the future for a woman president with some guts and didn't ride the coat tails of a former president into a position of power.

[Repaid1]

I hear ya Botox, For me I really think that it's not about Party's. I have never really paid attention to who was what, but instead I followed what they did. I guess you could go backwards and then group them by achievements but I am sure that both have contributed some "good" within the party. To me Obama offers the US nothing.

It's promise this and promise that, they are bad, they don't get it..what the hell does he get??? He's just not doing anything to convince me that he's anything more than hype. His plans are nothing more than that. I have yet to see a president DO what he has proposed in his campaign. Therefore I look to the man (or woman) what can they offer that the other can't? Somehow McCain keeps coming up First. There is just something that tells me Obama is just riding the ticket and not really interested in "the People".

I guess If I had the guts I would vote for Barr, I know I can, it's just that if the election is close I would rather vote for McCain to keep Obama out. I really hate the slinging and name calling but I guess it's par for the course. So if McCain gets elected and then passes away am I afraid of Palin? Nope I see it as a Change that everybody keeps promising..and she will have to deliver.

Finally IF you don't vote..Then you have nothing to say about what happens..SO VOTE! Rock the Vote..whatever we are doing this time.

[packrat]

Gotta go with Obama. The direction of this country sucks. And, although both parties have a role in that, it has gotten much worse under Bush. Either way, I think we will see important changes, though. (and I own guns and hunt and don't feel the least bit threatened by the Democrats. (I also think AK47's and unregistered handguns don't belong in your gun cabinet--and I work in Detroit!.)

[Rockies Fan in Diapers]

McCain All the Way! I'm Not Very interested in four Years of Demo-c-Rats, Demo's & Lab Rats.

[Baby Bethany]

Just curious, what's a "Hockey Mom"? Is it something to do with the NHL?

Beth

[FretaBWet]

It's just a term to describe a Mom that spends much of her time and energy shuffling her kids to after school and weekend programs like hockey, soccer, music lessons etc.

Hugs,

Freta

[babyfett]

Pick your poison. McCant or Obamination?

[BoTox]

You have to vote or lose the right to complain. I cannot vote for a person that will impose any sort of gun control so I have to vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils since my home-boy, Fred Thompson is out.

[babyfett]

You have to vote or lose the right to complain. I cannot vote for a person that will impose any sort of gun control so I have to vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils since my home-boy, Fred Thompson is out.

Personally I think it would be unwise to vote for a candidate based on one certain position or party affiliation. I usually weigh all the positions and base my choice on who I think will better serve me and my country. Each candidate has ideas I like and dislike. I will be voting for Obama do to other issues than gun control. Plus he has a better choice of a running mate in case something should happen and he could not continue as president. But I do not like the Dem's stance on gun control. I thought that they where not going to bring it up but Obama mentioned it in his speech last week. I guess I will need to buy that AK-47 I have always wanted sometime before January 20, 2009 just in case.

[redneck diaper boy]

McCain all the way! I have been a registered Republican for 30 years.

McCain is an American hero!

Obama is a hard line Communist.

Obama has no experience period. Being your own campaign manager and community organizer, does not qualify him to be president. He has spent the last 18 months being a president wanna be and has done nothing in the senate.

Obama is only in his position because he is black. He attended a racist church for 20 years.

Obama has close ties to an unrepenting domestic terrorist named Ayres.

Obama is just plain stupid. Obama thinks that we can save as much oil, as we would gain from domestic drilling, by tuning up cars and inflating tires. Nobody that stupid belongs in the Oval Office.

Obama's party, the Democrats, are intentionally doing what they can to inhibit the American economy to get Obama elected. Nancy Pelosi closed down Congress without dealing with our energy issues. The Democrats want Americans to suffer otherwise they would be drilling for our own domestic oil.

If McCain gets elected, he will have a tough time with an obstruction minded legislature. History is repeating itself. The Democrats prolonged the great depression, that began in 1929, to get FDR elected. President Hoover wanted to implement many of the same programs that FDR took credit for but the Democrats wanted him out.

Many young people love Obama. In 1975, I was facinated with a Democratic candidate named Jimmy Carter. At that time we had double digit inflation and single digit un-employment. Carter was going to tax the rich and render to to the poor. Jimmy ruined our military and gave us a prime interest rate of 18 percent combined with double digit un-employment. Try buying a house at an interest rate of 20 percent. At 19 years of age, I voted for that piece of crap named Carter. I will never make the same mistake again. Obama is this generation's Jimmy Carter. It may take another generation of ignorant young people to remind us of how dangerous the Democrats are.

The next presidential election, that I voted in, I voted for the greatest president of my lifetime Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan cleaned up much of the Carter mess.

One last thing. I love Sarah Palin. McCain hit a grand slam when he picked her for VP.

There are many people here that will say I am a liar. I am not a liar. I was there.

[BoTox]

The candidates take an oath to uphold the constitution. If they don't respect the rights laid out by the second amendment, then they don't respect or uphold the rest of the constitution either. Obama doesn't respect the constitution. He is not an honorable American. The fact that he has an Indonesian passport does not bode well for his loyalty!

[Aleia]

Republican, by golly.

[PamperedinthePoconos]

I'm going with McCain too, registered Republican here>>>but I'm not one of those hard core types, I'll vote for whomever I feel is the better canidate.

[baby-dandan]

I'm for McCain all the way!

[Skywolf]

Pick your poison. McCant or Obamination?

You have to vote or lose the right to complain. I cannot vote for a person that will impose any sort of gun control so I have to vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils since my home-boy, Fred Thompson is out.

The above statements define the true way to "throw your vote away."

Why must everyone be so convinced that "Democrats" or "Republicans" are the only way to go? To choose the lesser of two evils? I say to hell with them both. They both abuse the constitution, and as of late, both have abused the national deficit. Republicans have put our national debt at over 9 trillion dollars (thats $30,000 per person in the US). Do you think democrats will do any better? I don't think so.

No thank you. I'm probably going to go for Bob Barr.

-Sky

[Repaid1]

So ahhhh anyway...You know when they have those polls on the news?,,,,ya think they will post ours on say NBC, goes something like this......"The ABDL poll shows McCain with a 63% average over Obama's 33%, now who other than those adults in diapers would know better"..

.. I can just see Obama's camp running with that one..and then a little "I'm John McCain and I support this message.

[Baby Bethany]

I don't like McCain........my mommy told me never to trust a man who's hair looks like it's been painted on.

Beth

[PampersPete]

Obama has no experience period.

And Sarah Palin does? I'm more of a Democratic leaning Independent only because the Republicans seem hell bent on conquering the world via NWO. I just LOVE how Bill O'Reilly called the Spears pinheads after Jamie-Lynn got pregnant but didn't say shit after Bristol Palin got pregnant. Can someone say"FUCKING HYPOCRITE"? I'm really surprised to see so many GOP backers on the board considering most Republicans would outlaw recreational diaper wearing if that had the chance because they would deem it "Un-American" and "Unnatural".......Just some food for thought. I will now refrain from discussing Politics,Religion and her........

[ArtemisEnterri]

I am so sick to $h!t with the whole situation of American politics (and i've been watching it for 20 years since my early teens).

Read the freakin' history of the creation of this country: this nation was NOT created as a "democracy", it was created as a Representative Republic - the Constitution itself states "a government By the People, For the People, and Of the People".

There were NO PARTIES in 1776 when the Declaration of Independence and Consitution were originally created. America was created in order to escape the heavy-handed Monarchy of the King of England who demanded that the people only worship under one religion, and demanded taxes from all regardless of their income.

Now, looking at today's politics, the Democrats want to do those very same things. For years every democrat who has been sworn into office has RAISED taxes, never lowered them (mathematically speaking, the richest 10% of wage-earners pay nearly 50% of all tax monies, and the poorest 20% almost always get 100% of their taxes back when they file their returns each year). Also, they have said for the last 15-20 years that America needs to "reduce its dependence on foreign oil" but ALWAYS REFUSE to drill known sites on US soil, saying drilling would be "bad for the environment". Take a look at the history of the original Alaskan Oil Pipeline. Since the oil has to be kept heated in order to flow through all those miles of pipe, there are acres of GRASSLAND in the middle of FROZEN TUNDRA where many different species of animals have happily used for grazing, mating, and sleeping (like bears that have been photographed comfortably asleep on top of the pipe itself). The ANWR (Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge) is freakin' huge (thousands of acres), the area where the drilling would be done is less than 100 acres (around only 1-2% of the overall size of the refuge). Why haven't we been drilling there for years? The answer: Democrats and their "greenie weenie" environmental activists who LIE about the possibilities of disaster.

And as far as the "Separation of Church and State" issue, THERE IS NO SUCH THING! It's people misreading what the First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". That amendment ties back to the King of England and the "Church of England" which was the only "legally recognized church". The amendment does NOT say that the government cannot be involved in services provided by a church, and does not say that government sponsored functions like schools cannot have things like prayer, Bibles, or copies of the Ten Commandments. Looking at the parties, it's not that the Republicans are the "religious" party the Democrats proclaim them to be, it's that the Democrats tend to be ANTI-RELIGION or at the least ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

I know people will want to flame me for this post, but you know what I say to them? That's your right as a citizen of this planet Earth (since not everyone reading this board is American only), but you will not change my mind. And a simple message to any non-Americans who want to post their opinions on this subject: "no matter who you want as the next President of the United States of America, it's not your choice, you don't have a vote, since you are not an American."

I will vote for McCain and Palin because I believe in them. I would never in my lifetime vote for Obama for many reasons (one of which being that he was raised Muslim/Islamic before "converting" to being a "Christian" in a church run by an Black-power, Anti-American, Anti-White pastor - Obama even stated in one of his books that if it came down to a conflict between Christians and Muslims in America, he would side with the Muslims).

One last thing: on the subject of experience, Obama hasn't done jack squat since his first day as a "junior" senator, there's not a single law passed with his name as the originator. Ms. Palin has been a city mayor and a state governor over the last several years. So in my book that says that Palin has the advantage.

[Baby Bethany]

Did Obama really say he would side with Muslims in a Christian v Muslim conflict? In what context was he speaking?

Beth

[ArtemisEnterri]

Did Obama really say he would side with Muslims in a Christian v Muslim conflict? In what context was he speaking?

Beth

(I received the following by email.)

Below are a few lines from Obama's books' his words:

This guy wants to be our President and control our government.

Pay close attention to the last comment!!

>From Dreams of My Father:

'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

(His mother was a white woman.)

>From Dreams of My Father:

'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

>From Dreams of My Father:

'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

>From Dreams of My Father:

'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

>From Dreams of My Father:

'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

>From Audacity of Hope:

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

The actual quote from the book is from *page 261* and is as follows:

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

(Think about the fact that the "Founding Fathers" of America were white Christians.)

[Baby Bethany]

(I received the following by email.)

Below are a few lines from Obama's books' his words:

This guy wants to be our President and control our government.

Pay close attention to the last comment!!

>From Dreams of My Father:

'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

(His mother was a white woman.)

>From Dreams of My Father:

'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

>From Dreams of My Father:

'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

>From Dreams of My Father:

'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

>From Dreams of My Father:

'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

>From Audacity of Hope:

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

The actual quote from the book is from *page 261* and is as follows:

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

(Think about the fact that the "Founding Fathers" of America were white Christians.)

To be fair I don't really see anything there that says he will stand with Muslims against Christians. Rather, I feel that you are choosing sides and assume that he is doing the same. Let me expand:

The first few lines state that as a kid he had to chose sides, i.e. white or black (because he is mixed race). Many mixed race people feel this way, usualy because western society sees a mixed black/white person as a black person. So for example, if Obama was at your school would you have regarded him as a white kid (on the basis that his mom is white)? I believe that you, like most kids would have seen him as a black kid, so naturaly that's how he viewed himself. You might say he had more empathy with black kids. I know he said those things, and they were a bit silly, but hey he was a teenager and all angry teenagers say things like that.

In the second part he seems to be saying that he supported Muslims in America after 9/11 and will continue to do so. I think this is how it should be, what was the option, blame them for 9/11, as was done to the Japanese American community after the attack on Pearl Harbour?

My reading of it is, that he supports American Muslims in the same way he supports American Christians. He considers them American and all in need of equal treatment, regardless of the political climate.

Just my view

Beth

[DL88]

I am Republican and I can't stand Sen. Obama however I will come to his defence in situations that eighter just aren't true or are just dumb and outrageous.

Sen. Obama attended the church of Rev. Wright for over 20 years [FACT] He had his chance to leave at anytime, only a brain dead moron would continue to sit there if they didn't agree with what Wright was saying. [GET REAL]

However Sen. Obama is Christian not Muslim [FACT] Yes he recently made a slip up but that is all it was, a slip of the tongue. He is not against Christians and doesn't want to march with some Muslims or w/e people are saying. He wants both Christians and Muslims to live together.

Just to be clear I can't stand the guy, but he is human. I agree with him on absolutely nothing because I am not a Marxist/Socialist that wants more government control on everything and an increase on taxes just to punish the successful. [FACT] The "Top 1%" in this country pay OVER 40% of U.S. Taxes while the bottom of the barrel (not middle class) pay only 12%. An increase of taxes on the rich in the U.S. will trickle down to both the middle and lower classes forcing us to pay more for EVERYTHING. THEY WILL STILL MAKE THEIR MONEY AND WE WILL BE THE ONES PAYING THE PRICE! GET OFF OF THIS "PUNISH THE SUCCESSFUL" BAND WAGON. Seriously, since when was being successful and earning yourself a comfortable lifestyle punished in the U.S. where we have a capitalistic/ Free Market Trade style governent? I say good for them because that is the REAL "American Dream!"[FACT]

Stick to the facts of what is going on and don't make outrageous accusations that just aren't true. I wish him well and I hope he stays safe so he can go home to his kids at the end of the day. (even if he got his home partially paid for by the criminal Tony Rezko)

Sen. Obama might be a politician running a campain on nothing but hollow slogans and peoples' misdirected hatred towards Pres. Bush; however, he is still a man who has a wife and 2 kids depending on him. Believe it or not he is human.

McCain/Palin '08

Palin '12

P.S. The founding fathers were "Whig" which is a right leaning party now known as "The Republican Party"

Yes the same political party that freed the slaves.

Yes the same political party that fought for equality.

Yes the same political party that has included more minorities in the political process than the Democratic Party EVER has.

Yes Sen. Obama comes from the Chicago Political Machine that forces you to be Democrat or you will have a hard time getting a job.

[Diaper Mike 05]

Neither party has done anything right in the last 8 years, so neither deserves anything. I voted 3rd party in 2004, and intend to either do it again, or exercise my right not to vote because no candidate deserves it.

And for all who say that if you don't vote, you can't complain, you can complain if there is no good candidate out there. If there is no good candidate - as in this year with Obama and McCain, and I haven't yet checked out who is running from minor parties - I won't waste the effort to vote.