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Oh, but no wait! There's SOOOO many other members who are shocked, SHOCKED(!) That you would not only ask this question of them, but try to 'group' them in with the rest of the wankers, and HOW DARE YOU think of/view them as such!

If this isn't something sexual for 99.9999% of us, then why does an organization like Skymouse exist? All those photographers aren't taking pictures of REAL (and way hot) female ABs. (who, btw, don't find it sexual, either) They're paid models (or sometimes Exceptionally Good Looking hookers) who have opened their minds to using their body and being in a more expressive-than-traditional manner. This isn't the VS lingerie catalog, this is fetish, no matter how much of a 'Lifestyle' we make out of it.

Sexuality is a BIG part of what makes us interesting humans, and, in my opinion, a greater cornerstone to our society/selves than potty training will ever be.

So touch away, my friends. In fact, touch it twice if you like! Good things are coming.

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Ok, well Ill respond to badbaby/ben's viewpoint. I personally do not find my ABDL side sexual at all. There are many factors that lead someone to this viewpoint.

1. Abuse as a child (regression can be caused by this). Therefore when a person is in 'baby-space' they do not want adult things in that space. Sexual activities in that space can be the equivalent of molestation in their eyes.

2. It just doesnt suit them. AB play can be an activity that you do to avoid adult things and sex is a part of those 'adult things'. Sex can be stressful for some people and they just plainly don't want it incorporated into their stress relief.

3. Probably many more reasons.

It is not fair to just say "well I find it sexual so therefore 99% of others will too". Give me a break. People find driving their car to be sexually exciting and others think of a car as simply transportation.

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<_< I'm really going to reserve my comments about this. I'm tired of this stupid debate. Why do we have to argue about it? There is a thing called a grey area where you can just let it slide. Or if you CAN'T for whatever reason LET IT GO, then be nice about it. It's called manners! Your mother and father or guardian taught it to you...and if you have a mommy or daddy now they should otherwise they aren't doing a very good job!

A very annoyed Paxy :huh:

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For some of us it is most definitely NOT sexual. It can stem from abuse, in which case, any kind of sexual activity dealing with diapers would almost seem anathema to one's very core of their being.

For others, still, it's an attempt to try to reclaim some of a lost childhood. In my case, it's exactly that - a chance to slip into a childlike headspace, to try to reclaim a peaceful time I wasn't allowed. Like the abuse victim, any kind of sexual activity involving the diaper and/or while in that headspace is tantamount to molestation. It's not RP for me... part of my personality literally sinks down to that age level. So, yeah, while it might be sexual for some, and I don't begrudge them for that, for some of us, it is not sexual, and it can never be sexual without feeling sick and repulsive.

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I think you are putting to much emphasis on the diaper aspect of being an AB,of course if you do something that stimulate sex organs you will get an erection but it may not necissarily be associated with the scenario.One of the most prominent aspects of being an AB is being in a child-like state,many objects and languages(i.e body,speech etc...) are used to simulate the environment yet there is not a sexual connection to these.

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I'm convinced my DL is tied to some sort of sexual abuse, and that my mind has deleted the incident itself. When I was three or so I became fixated on nauseating thoughts a man fondling my diaper. This was something that was CONSTANTLY on my mind, making me feel gross, yet also giving me a twinge masochistic pleasure. Every time I saw a man who looked a certain way, I would immediately worry about him touching my diaper. I was terrified to be left alone with any man except my dad and my grandpa. I am now a lesbian, and I'm certain that originates in whatever happened to me as a toddler.

Yes, my diaper-loving is sexual, but I didn't get into diapers because I find them inherently arousing--that incident, whatever it was, caused me to associate diapers with sexual stimulation.

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Everyone has their reasons for being in a diaper. Whether someone finds that arousing or not is up to them. Tris, it kind of comes across as if you are brushing off the fact that there are those amongst us who are in fact using the diapers as a coping mechanism. Do you believe that you have to be totally unable to function and be in a mental institution to have coping mechanisms? Because I know people who have never had physical/sexual trama and they have coping mechanisms. It is a human response. I bet you have coping mechanisms for certain things...just as I do. I know I talk too much when I get nervous, or I shy away from confrontation, and I sometimes avoid certain situations because they make me uncomfortable. All of these are coping mechanisms. Diapers are just one of the many in the world.

The wonderful thing about a forum like this is that we can all express our views in a safe environment. But we must do so with care, respect, and consideration. Diapers can be a very powerful symbol for some people, and dismissing it or belittling it as an object solely for masturbation and/or arousal is something akin to calling it a dildo. Something Tabby said really caught my attention. "Abuse as a child (regression can be caused by this). Therefore when a person is in 'baby-space' they do not want adult things in that space. Sexual activities in that space can be the equivalent of molestation in their eyes." When an AB is in AB mode...they are not the adults that their bodies seem to indicate. Touching and sexually stimulating an AB when in that frame of mind might be seen as inappropriate to many people. And to some might even be the cause for further trauma.

These are just my thoughts on this topic. Lots of it is from observation and interaction. Its not fair to say that the majority of people use the diaper for masturbation...I think there are quite a few who are hesitant to do that. And some who clearly cannot see it that way.

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Like I stated earlier -- There is SO much documentation by professionals, and members of the medical community that links diapers with sexuality in many individuals.

Regardless of how you FEEL when you're in your AB "Headspace", or whether you call it a "coping mechanism" for any kind of event that may have affected you, it's still connected to your sexuality, lest you wouldn't perform the series of actions that you do in order to 'cope' with whatever it is your mind is running from because it wouldn't bring you any kind of release.

My point is that no matter how you use your diapers/other objects to your satisfaction, the fact that you do so and experience some other more desirable feeling only proves its connection to your sexuality, therefore, it's sexual in nature.

I'm sorry if I come across as callused or mean -- I'm not trying to! But don't sit there behind your keyboard and lie to the rest of us about why you're here.

Canuck -

If you were abused as a child, and diapers were a major focus of such a horrifying event, I see no logical identification of them as a pleasure object except in a masochistic sense, which is . . . sexual! Have you seen a professional about your specific story? Tell him/her about how you use diapers today and how the event you described affects your habits today. I wager they will agree with me -- It's affected your sexuality.

Are you able to have 'normal sex' where diapers/AB play are not a desired part of the equation?

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Wait, are we arguing whether or not a diaper is an object strictly for masturbation and sexual pleasure?

Because that's not what I'm arguing! (And stop with the 'anathema' word -- just cuz someone used it once doesn't mean we're all gonna use it to sound more educated than we really are!)

The reason we call Child Abuse 'Abuse' is because an adult made a conscious choice to expose them to sexual energy that their (the child's) conscious mind/body are not yet ready to experience or fully comprehend. But the subconscious mind -- their subconscious does some strange things, partially attempting to hastily develop a loosely-based sexuality in order to overcome the confusion of the situation, and due to the 'trauma', more or less puts a "Freeze Frame" on the association between their current identity and their sexuality. Thus, many claim to be "trapped" in an infantile or toddler-like state due to such events.

And as far as the 'regression' talk goes -- if one is truly, by definition, "Regressed" or "Regressing", their sexuality is a moot point depending on how far back they "went" to escape. If the individual regressed to an age where adult sexuality is not part of their identity, (or wasn't at the time/age they've "regressed" to) then there is the possibility of causing sexual harm to that individual by exposing them to some sort of sexual activity that they are incapable of comprehending. However, because TRUE regression is like the mind's Time Machine, one who has indeed (by official definition) regressed will exhibit age-appropriate characteristics and very possibly will have no ability to act as the adult they are, even in emergency situations.

Compare that to those of us who "Regress" to "Cope" with whatever it is. . . You've changed your sexual/medical definitions to fit your justification of your actions. Yes, there ARE medical terms to describe those with disabilities that many of would like to have, for sexual reasons. Instead, we aim/attempt to identify with those who do have a true medical condition in order to reconcile our sexuality with reality.

Did that NOT make sense to anyone? I'm free to answer any questions you may have. . .

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Canuck -

If you were abused as a child, and diapers were a major focus of such a horrifying event, I see no logical identification of them as a pleasure object except in a masochistic sense, which is . . . sexual! Have you seen a professional about your specific story? Tell him/her about how you use diapers today and how the event you described affects your habits today. I wager they will agree with me -- It's affected your sexuality.

Ok so lets explain further. I wear diapers NOW because I am a bedwetter. In fact I told one of my friends the other day (AB friend) that if I wasn't in NEED of them at night then I wouldn't have them. My enjoyment comes from A) not having wet sheets in the morning abd B) Being lazy in the morning about actually going to the bathroom.

Are you able to have 'normal sex' where diapers/AB play are not a desired part of the equation?

I find this question to be terrible but I will answer it. I don't have sex and I don't crave sex. Its not to say I wont have sex someday but I know my life is not controlled by sex or its urges. I'm not afraid of sex in anyway at all I just don't see why some people have it ruling their lives. And no, I am not lieing about this.

I think you are making all people to sound like sexually driven beings. Sociologists have a saying, "Everything is cultural". I had a hard time understanding this. In their meaning everything we do is cultural and this includes our responses to things. I thought of different things for the past year and I still have not found anything not culturally based but basic bodily functions which they call reflexive (ie breathing). So if my symbols that I equate with diapers are different from yours this just means that somewhere along the line your cultural influences were different from mine. Sex is not hardwired into our brains as much as we think. The symbols we equate with sex can be different. Some men like boobs and others dont, some men like butts and others are think butts are disgusting. This means that the symbols for sexual things between those two different people are different. So for me my symbols for diapers in a sexual way do not exist and for you diapers have been "labelled" sexual.

Why do you fight this so bad? The studies you keep referencing by "professionals" have not been cited. Its like a news report "Tonight a new and deadly virus that professionals say causes havoc... and more on that at ten". What professionals say that all diapers are sexual? You cannot tell me that someone who is inco thinks of diapers as sexual. For some of us diapers are a tool that we use.

If you don't get what I am saying now and agree to it even a little then I am finished trying to explain it to you.

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I'm sorry if I come across as callused or mean -- I'm not trying to! But don't sit there behind your keyboard and lie to the rest of us about why you're here.

Calling people lairs often comes across as mean.

Tris, I think you are using a different concept of "sexual" than what most folks are using. If you mean diapers are sexual in that they touch your genitals then yea, I guess its "sexual". And so are panties and boxers I suppose... However, I don't think diapers are "sexual" for everyone in the sexual pleasure / turn me on / masturbation sense of the word that you seem to be implying (you seems to have a Freudian kind of view of sexuality). For some people, diapers are just a source of comfort. Like hugging your mom, cuddling with a stuffed animal, or getting a back rub from a friend. These actions are all ways to get pleasure, but its certainly not what I would call sexual pleasure. Is it so hard to believe that for some people wearing a diaper is no different from hugging a Teddy bear?

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Calling people lairs often comes across as mean.

Tris, I think you are using a different concept of "sexual" than what most folks are using. If you mean diapers are sexual in that they touch your genitals then yea, I guess its "sexual". And so are panties and boxers I suppose... However, I don't think diapers are "sexual" for everyone in the sexual pleasure / turn me on / masturbation sense of the word that you seem to be implying (you seems to have a Freudian kind of view of sexuality). For some people, diapers are just a source of comfort. Like hugging your mom, cuddling with a stuffed animal, or getting a back rub from a friend. These actions are all ways to get pleasure, but its certainly not what I would call sexual pleasure. Is it so hard to believe that for some people wearing a diaper is no different from hugging a Teddy bear?

Sure, very Freudian, indeed! While human cultures and subcultures vary widely, I believe that the sexuality intertwined is distinctly similar.

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There truly is an exception to every rule, and in this case, I would suspect there are so many exceptions that this shouldn't be a rule at all. Wearing diapers is a strange, strange thing to do as an adult. There are all sorts of unusual reasons why someone might choose to do it.

What's to argue about, anyway?

P.S. - As a former psych major, I can say with some authority that Freud mostly had no idea what he was talking about, especially regarding the theories for which he is famous.

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I definitely agree that we are largely sexually-driven beings--look how much of our entertainment revolves around sex and sexual humor. I don't think anyone could go half a day without thinking about something sexual or about their love interest(s).

That's why I believe sexual disorders are much more serious than a lot of us might think--something with a profound affect on your sexuality is bound to trickle into other aspects of your life. For example, a desire to look at child porn should not be taken lightly. A person doesn't tuck his pedophilia away when he stops looking at porn for the night--he probably thinks about it a lot during the day, encounters objects and situations that he associates with pedophilia, and fantasizes about children. Those of us who enjoy diapers for sexual purposes didn't stop at just fantasizing about diapers--we eventually gave in to our craving and bought our first pack, put them on every now and then, and gradually increased our time spent in diapers.

That was quite off-topic, but I just wanted to throw it out there.

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No, in fact it was VERY topical, and a great help to my point!

Our sexual definitions have changed from the 'norms' that they once were. Your words were spot-on correct!

Now, if 2 Live Crew has taught us anything, it's that horniness in today's society is out of control. And at one point within the next decade, mark my words, ladies and gentlemen, society will have reached something I call APATT...

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what gets me is that some say wearing diapers is not sexual. that is bollocks because if its not sexual then why do it. I like to shoot my cream in my diaper. we all do it and those who deny it are just lying bastards.

Speak for yourself.

My sex drive has been going downhill for years and since I've been wearing 24/7 its reall way off. I think in the last year, I may have wanked 2 or 3 times I'm sure I haven't since July of last year.

Just not interested in sex that much. I'd much rather wet myself.

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Without getting into my sexual past,I wear diapers. Not so much 24/7 anymore. but I do jerk off in them. Are they sexual? Sure. Are they sensual? Yup. And nope for both questions. How can that be? It all depends on my mood. I see both debates. And I agree with both debates. I guess my bisexuality isn't so weird after all......lol. :P

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