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I figured since nobody had answered you yet I would give it a go. Not sure what you classify as severe bowel incontinence but, I generally mess myself once a day and I can't stop that from happening anymore. I didn't take any drugs to get to this point, just the usual letting it happen whenever and wherever thing, and in my opinion it was much easier to become bowel incontinent than it was to become bladder incontinent, so I think if you want it you should just go for it without using any drugs.

Pursuing full time incontinence while still living at home will make things much more difficult, and I wouldn't personally advise it, but if your heart is set on doing it ASAP then you'll have to make do obviously. The biggest piece of advice I can possibly give you is to get on top of everything hygiene and smell related immediately. Figure out how you're going to handle messy diapers and disposal and everything today, because that stuff is ridiculously important when you live with other people and it's not cool to only figure things out after you're already messing your diapers, for example. I have my own apartment now and that's perfect for wearing diapers 24/7, but I started having issues with my bowel control and messy accidents while I was still living with roommates and take it from me, it was the worst part of my entire untraining because I hadn't planned for it and it took me a while to figure out how to manage it properly. Before you even start wearing 24/7 and using diapers for everything, make sure you have - Plastic Pants Chlorophyll OR charcoal tablets to reduce the smell of messing (ideally start taking them at least a week before you start) Separate bags to put your messy diapers in immediately after changing Some way to get your used, messy diapers out of the house and disposed of If you don't have any of the above then get them organised now because they are absolutely required if you're going to be messing your diapers while living with other people. Just wetting diapers is easy enough to manage, but adding messing on top of that is a whole other ball game.

Yes that's true. You have to be extremely careful if you only want to lose bladder control, as it can be very hard to lose bladder control without also losing bowel control. I'd say you're doing pretty much everything right so far : ) Gradually with time, the relaxation will start to become more and more normal, and you'll find that your body starts to default to that state all on its own. Regarding the mental side of things, pretty much anything you can do to reinforce your self identification as incontinent is great, whether that be by doing something big or small, it all helps in the end.

Untraining to full time incontinence is 90% mental and 10% physical. All the massive changes have to happen in your brain first, before severe muscle atrophy and genuine failure of bladder and bowel control can happen. There are people out there who will never untrain just due to the fact that something holds them back mentally, so, if you want to untrain effectively, you have to take the time to address and overcome all those big doubts and insecurities that hold you back.

Losing bowel control is extremely common amongst those who only ever intended to untrain their bladder. That's what happened to me, and it's what has happened to most people I've spoken to who only wanted to lose bladder control. You should be prepared for this to happen once your muscles start to deteriorate further.

I have tried reaching out to Ferix but he's either away or doesn't want to talk about the subject I think, and that's okay : ) I'm sure he'll be back if he wants to discuss it again.

Hey Inconito! Thanks so much for sharing your experiences with us! I was wondering, and maybe others know, but wouldn't making yourself wet every half hour or hour, not strengthen the muscles? Maybe I have my science all wrong but, I thought that's how the whole atrophy thing worked like, purposefully not using the muscles at all so they would degrade? Your method would definitely result in a smaller bladder, I'm just curious about the muscle part, since it seems you've degraded them even while using them if that makes sense. Could you elaborate more on how things went from you making yourself wet every half hour or hour, to starting to wet without realising it? It seems like two things on opposite ends of the spectrum basically, ha ha, and I'd love to know when that started happening : ) I untrained by basically letting my body wet whenever it wanted to, so it's super interesting to me that there might be a whole other way to untrain/make oneself incontinent that's completely different!

Great post on the subject Bettypooh, as always you have a lot of great insight and thoughts on the matter : ) I think this part for me is especially starting to ring true now that I've been wearing 24/7 for a year and have lost control of my bladder. It's started to be on my mind a lot lately like, why is it such a big deal if someone sees my diapers, or why was it even a big deal in the first place? I can say I truly need diapers now, and I think it might be that need that is leading me to care less these days, which is perhaps the same for others here. Once that need to be in diapers is established and indisputable, maybe something in our brain changes to adapt and we just stop thinking about it so much. Maybe like a self-preservation thing to stop ourselves from being stressed constantly? I'm not entirely sure, but it definitely seems to be a trend in those who wear full time like you said.

See that's what I mean, being untrained means very different things to different people, so we can't really just look at someone who has said they are untrained and use our own definition for what that means. If you'd like to check what they mean when they use the word untrained, you should ask about symptoms, and what they experience, then you can decide if that lines up with your definition or something else.

The thing to keep in mind I think is that being "untrained" means different things to different people. An untrained bladder to me is literally no control at all, but an untrained bladder to some other people is just wetting really easily because they're used to wearing diapers; there's no standard when someone has said they're untrained.

I believe I can make a reasonable comment about this one as I'm eleven months into my untraining now. From my point of view, you would make progress much faster and easier by working towards becoming both bladder and bowel incontinent at the same time. If you think about it, the muscles that are responsible for holding both are basically linked, so holding your bowels while trying to let go of your bladder is definitely inefficient. That being said, I chose to only untrain my bladder when I started, and I'm getting close to losing complete control of my bowels these days despite my best efforts to the contrary and months and months of effort fighting that happening. In my experience, it's effectively impossible to degrade the muscles that give us control of our bladder without also degrading the muscles that control our bowels. For example, when I was several months into my untraining, any progress I made in worsening my bladder control led to me having more and more messy accidents in daily life, to the point where now I'm considering just giving in to losing the rest of the bowel control that I have, just so my accidents can at least become more predictable. This is as someone who never once had a problem controlling their bowels before getting deep into my untraining.

Just wanted to say, thanks so much for continuing to keep us all updated! As someone who is also untraining, it's been really interesting to compare experiences and stories as we both go along (though mostly from the sidelines, since I don't post a ton here), and it's kind of nice to know that someone else is currently doing the same thing as me and that we're in this together in a sense, albeit from other sides of the world Best of luck as you keep going forward @Ferix , I don't think it'll be long at all before you achieve your goal

Not to pick on you or anything, but it's interesting I think that you're pursuing untraining so eagerly and yet get thoughts of wanting to quit because you're not making progress fast enough / not having the uncontrollable wettings you want to have. I suppose I wonder what happens when you do make the progress you want and then are stuck in diapers? Being frustrated or annoyed with certain parts of untraining and incontinence still happens once you reach that next stage, it just removes the option for you to stop. Not to mention the other new things to get annoyed at, like inconvenient leaks at the worst times. Just curious what you think about that, if you've thought about it. Not to discourage you from continuing ahead at all though, I think untraining can be a really great thing when done by the right people, just don't want you to end up like some of the very unhappy few I've spoken to who have a lot of deep regret for doing this to themselves. I've spoken to more happy people than sad though, so the positive side definitely can't be ignored either

Hey @Ferix , I noticed you and some others mention losing bowel control through untraining earlier though the replies have been unfortunately cut off. I was wondering if you could speak some on your current situation with bowel control? I've been untraining my bladder for two months now and bowel control is really starting to become a factor for me that I did not at all anticipate.