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I've looked, but still haven't found exactly what I need in your signature's shop site. I guess it's true that one size doesn't fit all. For me, PUL pants seem to be pretty good and durable, though I do wish I could find something better.

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I think too that what is available over the counter is a huge disappointment. I think most is marketed to older people which means...here in the US, lol...no consideration at all.
That makes me wonder: what does "marketed to older people" imply? And also, why does that mean "no consideration"? Consideration with what? I'd think that marketing is always about trying to sell something. So it has to stress this or that quality - if you'd just make a commercial in which you treat your potential customers with no consideration at all I'd think they just won't buy your stuff!
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Just to make sure: the OP meant this topic to be about plastic (&rubber) pants to manage incontinence with; not the AB themed stuff. Of course there'll be an overlap, but those product groups aren't identical.

As long as I haven't seen that shopping page I can't judge that, though. I'm curious.

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This also makes me think the question is interpreted from an AB point of view, considering specific qualities that make sense in that context.

Speaking for myself, I know very well what I mean by quality and I can and will describe that in gruesome detail ;)

I'll do that in the morning though, it's kind of late.

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Re "good items are good items": I'm afraid that that's a bit of a sweeping statement. I think that it's quite likely that a AB person requires quite something different and thus has a different idea of "good" where it comes to plastic pants as an inco person has. Even among inco persons that notion varies a great deal. For instance: in my opinion, most if not all of the plastic pants that are specifically marketed for the fetish users are useless to manage my inco with because they're designed for a male physique and to address certain desires - not to be as comfortable, durable, easy maintainable and leak-proof as possible. Therefore, they're usually ill-fitting with way too little space behind the legs; and loo low, especially in the back. The leg openings are almost always too tight. They're sloppily sewn together instead of welded, so that the plastic leaks and tears because of the needle holes. The material is (in my opinion) horrible: often way too stiff; awkwardly shiny and / or transparent or adorned with babyish prints. Some are adorned with useless frills. None are made from plastic specially developed for the purpose (medically graded, antibacterial etc.). Almost none are made from taffeta-embossed vinyl. The elastics are too narrow. The elastics aren't encased - and if they are, it's being sewn which is even worse because once it's wet, the elastic will never dry again. In the case of buttons, they're metal buttons sewn on to the plastic - causing tears again. Maybe I'm too fussy also ... so be it. That's probably an "in the eye of the beholder" thing :) But I think I rather am an inco woman who seeks the best way to manage her issue and who doesn't suffer crappy pants easily. And there's a lot of those out there. So many, in fact, that I don't know where to still find proper ones. There's some specialist fetish shops - one from Hungary cones to mind - who are in the business of catering to a well-paying ABDL crowd: their average clown pant costs maybe €50 or more. Which is, in my opinion, a complete ripoff bordering on fraud. The problem is that that riffraff spoils the market for us as well. Prices that would otherwise have hovered around maybe €10 are approaching the threefold now with the line between "fetish" and "medical" pants blurring - sure a great excuse to triple your prices. And many inco people aren't exactly big spenders. Yet they are the ones who really need those garments. So, fussy? Hardly. Angry? You bet.

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For me, form follows function. Anything must work really good before I can look or feel like anything. A decent quality item will do the job it's made for very well, consistently, and with out fail. A really good quality item (what I usually look for), is going to perform exceptionally, for years. Of course this usually means I need industrial grade, or high premium (price). The biggest problem for me in finding this is that most anyone isn't willing to get something of this level of quality. Most are only going to get an average product at a cheap price, so this is what the industry makes. Finding anything better is often quite difficult.

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LOL, no it doesn't change it's self, but I definitely will be staying in it overnight. As for the breakfast bars I think I won't be eating those. One of the really big driving forces for the high price is that I added a core layer of zorb. That much zorb is expensive on it's own, but seems like it should be well worth it. Also, in justifying the extra high capacity; even the leakmaster cloth diaper from adult cloth diapers is just barely enough for me most nights. It won't be completely soaked when I wake up, but the sides will be- and may have even leaked some. I could double them up, but I already have too much material in between my legs and not enough on my sides. Doubling them up would only make that worse, so that's why I'm going custom contoured- to get the material where I need it most.

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@Meidekind I believe you are European, (I'm UK). This site is US based and mainly Moderated by those US born. You will find posting as you would on European site doesn't go down very well here. I have moderate myself when posting as strong views will get you flamed easily.

If you treat this site like something like 'mumsnet' in the way you reply you will get a lot less hassle. Remember the US is a little conservative, and generally don't like being verbally 'ripped into', unlike us in the EU who brush this sort of thing off without thinking.

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The best pants I ever used were the comco ones. Unfortunately I haven't found a product cut like theirs. Pretty much everything I've tried is cut like underwear but made out of plastic which doesn't work very well being on your feet all day this causes everything to pool at the legs which eventually causes leaks. Especially if your sitting and standing quite a bit. The comcos, atleast from the 90's very rarely leaked, were thick, fully cut and actually came up to the waist (your belly button is actually your waist people), and would last for atleast 3 years if not longer. Most of what I have tried were lucky to last more then 6 months. (Sorry for the rant)

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The best pants I ever used were the comco ones. Unfortunately I haven't found a product cut like theirs. Pretty much everything I've tried is cut like underwear but made out of plastic which doesn't work very well being on your feet all day this causes everything to pool at the legs which eventually causes leaks. Especially if your sitting and standing quite a bit. The comcos, atleast from the 90's very rarely leaked, were thick, fully cut and actually came up to the waist (your belly button is actually your waist people), and would last for atleast 3 years if not longer. Most of what I have tried were lucky to last more then 6 months. (Sorry for the rant)

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I wear them with the shiny side in, though I guess it wouldn't really matter since the waterproof barrier should work the same either way.

I'm guessing their breaking down too soon has something to do with me machine washing them. I also leave them in the diaper pail with my cloth diapers before I wash everything together (every 3 or 4 days max). Personally I don't feel this should be an unreasonable expectation for their normal wear, but it may still be the cause of it.

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@Meidekind I believe you are European, (I'm UK). ...

Hi Gnappies,

True, I'm Dutch.

I want to apologise for my earlier reactivity. However, I assure you that this isn't my default state of mind. I find politeness, respect and good humour very important - maybe even more so online than IRL, because it's so easy to misunderstand one another based on text alone.

I don't say it by way of whitewashing myself, but I was royally angry because of what happened in this thread and got carried away.

It doesn't deserve a price, I know that. I'll check myself thrice the next time.

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They worked fine for some months but I think they're leaking a little now. I can't see anything wrong with them. Maybe the shiny side should go toward the inside? The seams would be in then, label out.

All the times I've tried PUL they leaked. Admittedly just a tiny little bit: maybe "sweating" is a better word. Especially at sharp folds, where I could see the material was discoloured a bit. It never occurred to me that it made any difference which side you wear out.

I dislike PUL, because it doesn't feel safe and dry altogether.

Besides, I find it hard to clean. Where vinyl is usually really fresh & clean even after a casual rinse in the shower, PUL needs to be properly laundered.

Just ordered some heavyweight vinyl covers from A.C.D. I hope these will give obvious visual signs when they're beginning to leak. Does anyone have enough experience to know if this is true?

I don't know about ACD, but vinyl as material is 100% waterproof if visually intact. So if it doesn't have cracks or tears or (sewing) holes, it should never leak.
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