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In general the coverage is about as expected. No complaint there. The problem is the drug coverage, which by the way is modeled after the medicare coverage of drugs IE the drug pricing and coverage is what medicare recomends, that is the problem. If a drug is not covered by medicare, or considered a teir 3 drug, so it is in my PartC plan. That is the concern for me!! When I was employed and covered by my companies PPO self insured plan using the typical other health plans as trusties to administer that plan, drugs as prescribed were never an issue, there was no tier structure, and I could go to any reffered specalist without any additional fees. Granted there was a monthly copay, but when I retired and went to medicare originally with a supplement, the monthly copay tripled and coverage fell way off. Why does the govt involvement always seem to work the same??? It should have been better considering the years of prepayment I contributed, but of course not.

I have a question, if you are using cloth every time, why the disposable under it? Why not an extra layer or soakers of cloth as you have to do the laundry in any case, and avoid the cost of the disposable>

I was going to avoid offering specefic info about my situation, but since you asked in such a nice fashion, I feel compeled to answer. First , I will say that as a Mn resident, I am using the home founded insurance provider for my Medicare Advantage plan. My wife is in full support of my use of protection, as I made a promise to her some time back to protect our bed at night after my first accident in bed, and she helped me find the day time pads that I use that work the best. My Urologist started me on the "prefered drug" that my insurance covers, that was Oxybutunal ER and that was what was causing me the upset stomach and dry mouth which I put up with for several months, going on and off the meds to prove the symptoms were caused by that only which I was able to do prior to complaining to my urologist again. I told him at that point, the side effects were not worth the benefit I was getting. He than told me about the best drug he has found, something with no side effects, a drug called Gemtesa which he offered me more than a months worth of samples to try, as he said it was expensive (1000/mo)and he would have to do some forms for the insurance to cover it. He was right, the side effects were nonexistent and the drug was working as planned with my frequency, but as I mentioned prior, when my bladder got filled, I had to find a potty in a hurry! The Urologist did his job and sent in the skript, filled out the paperwork and the insurance came back with first denial, telling us to use the first drug with all the side effects! A second appeal was lodged with another form, and the insurance co came back with another letter, telling us that we had to try at least one other drug prior to them allowing the use of the one that worked. My doc reviewed the list provided, Myrbetriq, Solifenacin, and Tolterodine ER and due to my other medical concerns, chose the last one, and wrote the script. My suprise when I went to get it and found that even "approved" by my insurance, it was costing almost $600/mo for me to use, so I said NO Bottom line, its not the docs that are at fault here, its the govt sponsored so called insurance that is the issue as prior to my retirement, my company medical insurance had coverage for everything needed by my medical team, and my company copay was a fraction of what I have to pay now for my lifetime paid for government health coverage that picks and chooses what it is willing to pay for. So people, think twice about what you want your government to do for you, as they don't care about your best interests when it comes to health care for sure if you are older and have already paid more than your share over the course of your 50 years of hard work!!!

The comment you made about urologist's hate for the use of protection certainly rings true for me as well. When visiting my Doc a few times back, I told him that my day time frequency especially in the morning was becoming worse, and in fact I had several instances of bed wetting as well now, he started me on a course of meds as he suggested they should allow me to avoid the use of the protection I have gone to. Well, the first med slowed down my frequency for sure, but when my bladder was full, I needed to be very close to a potty or I would certainly have an accident. Same thing for the night, it allowed me to sleep through the night, but come morning, as soon as I sat up or stepped out of bed, my full bladder was going to empty. Even if I could deal with this new urgency, the side effects were not worth it. I had constant heartburn and upset stomach, and dry mouth all the time. At my last appointment, I told my Doc that this was not worth it for the benefit of frequency lowered, and he said we should try a much better med to see how it works but it was expensive, and he would work with my insurance to get it approved. The med did remove the side effects for sure when I started to take the several weeks of samples he gave me but the insurance would not allow it after several tries. I could use it, for about $900/month and I said no. Finally, he suggested other alternative which the insurance said they would approve, but after the first script was filled for 30 days, I went to pick it up and was told it was $589/ for the month after insurance, and I said NO. Why don't these docs understand that when you are in your mid 70's, wearing protection products that work every time and add peace of mind are well worth the cost they have which is a fraction of any meds that may have other impacts to your health as well???

Seems to me this discussion is not leaning toward reality, but focusing on some perceived perception of what bed wetting must be classified as? In reality, if you are wetting during the night while sleeping in bed, you are a bed wetter even if you are wearing protection to protect your sheets and mattress! Splitting hairs by suggesting that the bed has to actually get wet to become a true bedwetter seems to me to be moving into this realm of fantasy. Lets get real now and focus on what is happening to the many who visit here, and talk about issues that really matter!

alas, the problem unearthed with many "research surveys" that are presented to us as gospel on anything and everything. As a retired engineer, I was trained and worked in my career always looking at the database used to ensure it is accurate and complete, and follow the analysis train before accepting published results as a basis for any of my work. As a result, I find that so many of the so-called experts we hear from are not based on the science I depicted above, but only on a thin premise, and currently accepted politics. Many are not trained and peer accepted scientists, but rather someone with a sub par education and little or no experience, out to make a buck selling or saying something! Keep in mind, you can say or publish anything these days, right or wrong-the thought that if it was said on TV it has to be truth, is so far off base that the only folks that believe this have had to been brain washed already. Wake up and accept the new reality, look for the real experts in the world and you will be able to see the differences!!!

I do mine same as WetMonkey

Re Tom92 concerns, a lot of what he said holds true from my experience as well. When I listened to my wife and tried the pads, (I started with the belted guards but found them uncomfortable), I tried the men's guards originally, and found them to be irritating as well as they were generally too wide in the crotch. I switched to the lady's style, and with the proper underwear, they work great, no bother at all. It is a total package though, as they will not work with loose fitting underwear, but as I have had to wear medical compression hose for poor leg circulation, starting years ago I started to wear woman's briefs under these for comfort again with wife's suggestions (no extra material in front to press into me all day) and they work great together!

Back to the point of this discussion, when driving if I get the urge to pee, it is only a matter of time until that happens for me, not the position I am sitting in or if I am stopped or going down the road. But in my case, it is a medical condition that I now have that is causing this, not my choice to wear diapers for other reasons.

For years now, I have been wearing "drip pads" as my wife calls them in my underwear because of urge incon. My medical chart tells me this is from a prostrate issue, and a combination of Type II diabetes which has desensitized my control nerves? So far so good, but on any outings from home lasting more than a couple hours, it is into pullups or belted guards to be safe for reasons learned from experiance. Sleeping is another issue, since I had a bed wetting incident a little more than a year ago, I promised my wife that I would wear adequate protection when I sleep and have been diapering up for bed since that point. Now my urologist is worried again about elevated PSA numbers so the prostrate procedure done a decade ago did not resolve all the issues related to it, or things have changed for the worse for other reasons? It may soon have to go completely and we all know what the chances of getting that done without doing damage to control are, almost nil. The point to this, is don't worry about the need for absorbent protection, it is a far better solution than going without, and allows us that need it to as you so wisely put it "wearing the incontinence pants reduced the stress that has led to accidents in the past. It was, however, very pleasurable - partly because I wasn't having to worry about accidents and partly just because they're so damn comfortable"

Now that I am diapered each night as a promise to my wife after a previous bedwetting incident and a few near misses, it is something we both accept, but for me the advantage is using the diaper and falling back to sleep at 3AM as opposed to getting up and off to the bathroom and lying awake for another 30-45 minutes trying to get back to sleep again. I learned some time ago that tossing a used or unused diaper into the trash in the morning makes no difference, but getting an extra half or 3/4 hour of sleep does!

When I first started to use my diaper while still in bed outside of real accidents, it was always as I was about to get up it seemed as I had difficulty sleeping in a wet diaper. More recently, I am waking a couple hrs before I plan to get up, wet and am able to fall back to sleep, which is a big step for me as wetting has become so common now that I can sleep in a wet diaper. Maybe its just getting more comfortable with the wet diaper on, as for about a year now, I use the diaper I have on every morning and don't remove it till its shower time, typically several hours later.

This is a very good topic for the group here, and all the comments are worth thinking about if you are still keeping secrets from your partner. I can say from first hand experience that once you are in the open, things get much easier to deal with. In my case, I was faced with an embarrassing situation when my wife found my large waterproof vinyl pants hanging in my basement shower to dry. She wanted to know why I had these and I told her that I was starting to dribble a lot during the day, and didn't want my pants to get wet and I found these on the internet. She told me I should have told her this straight away, and these large water proof pants are not the best solution. She went out and got some icon pads for me to wear in my underwear, which I started to do. I did move to the woman's style as the men's were too wide and bothered my legs it seemed. My wife was fully in support of me at this point. A few years later, I had too much to drink one night and ended up wetting our bed, and she was not happy, but insisted on me wearing something better to bed, so I started using the belted guards at this stage again with her blessing. I found that on a few occasions after that, I was wetting these as well and mentioned that I was having a few close calls to her. I told her I would check with a medical store lady who I was getting my cpap supplies from and she advised using a Gary active brief over my protection for the night to be safe, and if things got worse, I would need to get into the overnight briefs, which she had several choices of. Well to finish, I am now using the overnight briefs all with my wife's blessings as I promised to do what was necessary to keep our bed dry after my first mess up, and so far I have been able to do that and she is very happy with me. So to the others out there keeping secrets from their partners, best to come clean about this as it will avoid that tough discussion you will have when you other finds this out on their own.

If this was beer, I would have a chance of holding it, but if I were expected to drink that much water, chances are good I would either wet the table during the procedure or a diaper if that was the case!

If I might suggest something here, if this is to be a forced situation, why not have a stent installed by a medical professional, which is something that will indeed require diapers to manage wetness. If installed medically, it will have to be removed in the same fashion as instruments are required to take it out as well.