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Brutal idea using KY for the fill solution. I have to say the talent on this site never ceases to amaze me in a good way.

To each their own but I think I will stick with inflating with water and cutting off the end. Just be careful you don

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Well.... this works extremely well. I have had this cath in for 3 days straight and have gone thru a lot of diapers... this is the 3rd time I have tried this.... the second time I went for 11 days in a row. I did up the ante just a little.... after inflating the balloon I take about 3cc of ky jelly and slowly work it into the balloon to prevent me from changing my mind while I am in public. I still use a zip tie and cut off the end but when you remove the zip tie...... it takes a while for the ky to work its way back out of that tiny opening of the tube leading into the balloon. It took a whole day for it to work its way out the last time. If you really wanted to get it out quicker you could work some water into the hole to help water down the ky...

11 days? That's awesome.

Any problems with UTIs?

What sort of catheter was it?

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No UTI's... actually since the urine is constantly passing over the foley it is not bad at all... other than the occasional re-adjustment you kinda forget its there. One thing though... be prepared to wake up drenched... even with molicares best.... its not enough to stop the leaks. I have fun the last couple weeks, I guess one of the benefits of being single and unemployed... oh... one more thing... if you go to change in a public rr take a ziplock bag with you to place over your leaking plumbing.... this will stop the stream you create from bending and movind from getting all over your pants/shoes. Works good for me... enjoy.

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No UTI's... actually since the urine is constantly passing over the foley it is not bad at all... other than the occasional re-adjustment you kinda forget its there. One thing though... be prepared to wake up drenched... even with molicares best.... its not enough to stop the leaks. I have fun the last couple weeks, I guess one of the benefits of being single and unemployed... oh... one more thing... if you go to change in a public rr take a ziplock bag with you to place over your leaking plumbing.... this will stop the stream you create from bending and movind from getting all over your pants/shoes. Works good for me... enjoy.

Welcome to the world of incontinence...I guess. Living with the constant leak is a pain day after day, year after year, hold one new diaper under the soaked diaper so you don't leak on your clothes, shoes or floor is an art that you need to master. Enjoy it but also enjoy the time away from it also

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YES, I too found the leaking while changing to be a big PIA. Sort a helps you understand what a real incontinent person is dealing with. The suggestion of placing a dry diaper over the wet one worked best for me also. The way my pluming is working these days I don

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OK. I'm probably making myself unpopular here, but where does the idea that incontinence means constant loss come from? I'd wager that less than 10% of all people suffer with this type of incontinence, and most of them will be older men who've had a prostatectomy. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't mean to pee on anyone's parade here, and I enjoy the lack of control [that a catheter gives] just as much, and probably more, than everyone else, I'm just wondering if we are probably looking at a too small sample of the whole spectrum.

On the other hand, it doesn't make the change easier if you don't know whether the flood will come while you change, so this aspect is there anyway, and probably aggravated by the changing process itself; if you have acquired a tiny little bit of a stomach over the years, bending over does trigger a bit of pee sometimes if you don't have (or use) unconscious control.

I usually give control up when I wear, and let happen what happens. This does not lead to me dribbling all the time, but I do leak a little every 20 to 30 minutes or so, depending on fluid level. I also found that drinking, having cold feet and (this is way weird!) filling the car at the pump makes me wet myself. All this with a nappy on; without, I have quite a good control (the fuel station still makes me need to go really badly).

So, am I thinking the wrong way with the constant flow, or am I playing baby (which isn't really my thing), or what?

And most important: Why the #'1$%! while I'm at the fuel station???

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OK. I'm probably making myself unpopular here, but where does the ideathat incontinence means constant loss come from? I'd wager that less than 10% of all people suffer with this type of incontinence, and most of them will be older men who've had a prostatectomy. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't mean to pee on anyone's parade here, and I enjoy the lack of control [that a catheter gives] just as much, and probably more, than everyone else, I'm just wondering if we are probably looking at a too small sample of the whole spectrum.

On the other hand, it doesn't make the change easier if you don't know whether the flood will come while you change, so this aspect is there anyway, and probably aggravated by the changing process itself; if you have acquired a tiny little bit of a stomach over the years, bending over does trigger a bit of pee sometimes if you don't have (or use) unconscious control.

I usually give control up when I wear, and let happen what happens. This does not lead to me dribbling all the time, but I do leak a little every 20 to 30 minutes or so, depending on fluid level. I also found that drinking, having cold feet and (this is way weird!) filling the car at the pump makes me wet myself. All this with a nappy on; without, I have quite a good control (the fuel station still makes me need to go really badly).

So, am I thinking the wrong way with the constant flow, or am I playing baby (which isn't really my thing), or what?

And most important: Why the #'1$%! while I'm at the fuel station???

For me its not constant. I leak less if sitting for a while but when I stand it's a short stream. But while standing it's a dribble which is every couple of minutes if I pay attention. However if I don't protect myself lets say after a shower & while toweling off, there will be spots of the floor. I those cases I'll use a clip until dry & take it off while diapering. Incontinence has many levels & I guess no two are really the same. My case is very much like a catheter just not quite as free flowing. Either way one watches the clock very closely.

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OK. I'm probably making myself unpopular here, but where does the ideathat incontinence means constant loss come from? I'd wager that less than 10% of all people suffer with this type of incontinence, and most of them will be older men who've had a prostatectomy. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't mean to pee on anyone's parade here, and I enjoy the lack of control [that a catheter gives] just as much, and probably more, than everyone else, I'm just wondering if we are probably looking at a too small sample of the whole spectrum.

On the other hand, it doesn't make the change easier if you don't know whether the flood will come while you change, so this aspect is there anyway, and probably aggravated by the changing process itself; if you have acquired a tiny little bit of a stomach over the years, bending over does trigger a bit of pee sometimes if you don't have (or use) unconscious control.

I usually give control up when I wear, and let happen what happens. This does not lead to me dribbling all the time, but I do leak a little every 20 to 30 minutes or so, depending on fluid level. I also found that drinking, having cold feet and (this is way weird!) filling the car at the pump makes me wet myself. All this with a nappy on; without, I have quite a good control (the fuel station still makes me need to go really badly).

So, am I thinking the wrong way with the constant flow, or am I playing baby (which isn't really my thing), or what?

And most important: Why the #'1$%! while I'm at the fuel station???

There's something about flowing liquids that makes most people want to pee, especially girls. I'll post a theory, and call it that so you know it's just an opinion :whistling: When we're being potty trained, one of the first techniques is to 'go' according to time as well as recognizing when you need to 'go'. You go potty just before going somewhere, before bed, etc- you get the picture. Your mind creates an attachment between the clock (a man-made device) and peeing, so you are essentially learning to force peeing because a man-made device says to do that. Flowing fluids open that connection in your mind so you find you need to pee when you sense them. Just a theory I won't argue over :thumbsup: And sensing cold does make some people pee- I am one of them :blush:

Having experienced incontinence with this catheter technique about a dozen times now I

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^Hmmm. How expensive is this TENS unit. I have no desire to make myself incontinent, but I may be able to link the relaxed state of the sphincter's with a stimulus, such as a visual or auditory cue. I could release my sphincters with the TENS unit, while meditating intensely on a cue, it could be anything from the sound of a waterfall, to a burning candle, or a special phrase. After re reading your post i read that it did not make you incontinent but it made it much more difficult for you to hold. Anyway, I see great potential here for classical conditioning. This should stop my shy bladder dead in it's tracks! I still practice systemic relaxation every night, and use incense and candles to focus on my thoughts, while I go from 12 to 1, while consciously relaxing the corresponding body part with each number. this TENS unit seems like it could be a magic bullet! Some are on sale for as little as $40 online, which one did you use?

Anywho, I have a lot of experience with the practice of linking, connecting a physiological state to an arbitrary cue. Forging that link, and then using that link to induce the physiological state. Alexander Heinz in The Ultimate Paruresis guide teaches linked meditation. Before that, Jake Rubin taught another linking strategy which linked urination to an arbitrary cue, this is what gave me the ability to urinate in a stall standing.

My attempts to beat shy bladder and go anywhere (legality permitting) is very similar to attempting to become incontinent. Most men can use urinals without thinking. I can now use them in a handful of situations.

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Betty, I'm a big fan of Tens and have the equipment. Could you share we me the placement of the pads? I have used this

technology many time with great resluts but never did it efect my control.

I'm excited to here more about this.

Thanks

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I have a few questions, but first a little about me. I have been wearing diapers 247 for over 15 years with one pause of time for about 2 years. Almost 6 years ago I read the 12 month diaper training program and started to follow it(everything except no. 2 ) . I can now say that I am completely no.1 unpotty trained but not completely incontinent. I do dribble a lot during the day and wet without even knowing that I did until I feel my diaper is a little wet. However at night I hardly ever wet until I wake up and get out of bed or just raise up in bed. I also do not wet most of the time between changes. I want to feel more incontinent. I have played with catheters before. I have used a fr20 catheter with a hole in it but not for long. the longest I have gone with a catheter and belly bag is 8 days. During that time I miss the wet diaper and masturbating. Oh I wear Abena with a tena pad in them.

So my questions are: I know I should use a smaller catheter, how small should I and can I go? 12 Fr or 14 Fr?

Should I go with Silver coated? If so should I go with the ones that are hydrogel coated? I want to be able to wear them for a long time.

I want to zip tie the end. Where do I get a rubber cap to place over the zip tie?

I know what happens when you take care of the arousals. The catheter hurts like hell. I never tried a smaller catheter. I wonder if the same happens with that and with a hole in the side?

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I have worn from 16fr to 22fr with the extra hole in the side and they all work the same. Urine will still flow around the catheter even with the larger size. A smaller size will probably feel like it is not there if you wear it a long time. I have zip tied the end and not used anything to cover it and have not had any problems. I cut the tie close and have not felt it scratch me or it has not snagged in the diaper. I prefer the latex catheters vs the silicone ones which feel stiffer.

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I don't want to hijack this thread with this ;) so I've started a thread in this forum called "TENS experimenting"- let's take this topic over there ;)

I still want to learn more about how others do with this cath technique since so far it is the only fully instantly and reversible induced incontinence technique I've found with almost no side-effects or risks. I can't afford a UTI and this method seems to address that cathing issue perfectly since the system cleans itself naturally. Now if I just wasn't so afraid of cathing- maybe I'll get the courage to try in time :whistling: I don't want to be incontinent permanently but it would be a nice toy to play with now and then!

Bettypooh

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since the system cleans itself naturally.

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Hi Bettypooh.

Without trying to spoil someone's fun here, this was so far my only worry point (which doesn't seem to have a lot of credit to it, as the numerous successful, uninfected trials here show). The system does actually have an unflushed, stagnant part: The remainder of the catheter below the extra holes. During insertion and before the 'cut and cable tie', this part will be filled with urine that isn't going anywhere once the end is tied off. It would be a bacterial breeding ground.

This, as no user has reported an UTI appears to be of little or no consequence, which is good; but I'd still like to understand why it doesn't happen. Enlighten me, someone?

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Now if I just wasn't so afraid of cathing

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Dear Bettypooh,

I seem to remember that you are physically male and you had some unpleasant incidents concerning catheters (please put me right if I err, I haven't rechecked). I take it that all those where administered by someone else. If you do it yourself, it's a lot safer and easier. You will know when to stop pushing hard, you will know where the catheter is at this moment, you will know when to pause for a little while. Your first time will probably take 10 minutes to get it in. The next time it'll be a fraction of that. You know why?

Because you trust yourself.

The nurse's aim is to get this tube into that urethra. You are also there, but not really relevant, since the tube has to go in and will. Knowing this can, and will, make everyone tense, and tense isn't good for catheter insertion. I had my first cystoscopy with a flexible 17 fr 'scope and Instillagel. The gel already burned like heck* and I thought that the scope was ripping all the plumbing to shreds. The second one was done with only lubricant and a stiff 20fr scope and it didn't hurt a bit. The difference was, I think, that the first doctor was really a veterinarian (not really really, but it seemed like it. Large cattle specialist, too.), and the second one was nice and talked you through it.

I never had any problem since, because I know that it doesn't need to hurt. There might be a moment of slight discomfort, more like a 'that felt weird' experience, but pain does not need to be involved in this. Really, don't worry. Have fun.

* Instillagel. Now this stuff might actually work, if they would give it a chance. But from what I heard from other patients, whatever goes in, goes in after less than 1 minute. This is just when the stinging from the alcoholic component is at the max, and way before the Lidocaine kicks in. Even the makers of Instillagel quote a time of 5 to 10 minutes for it to start working, but since no nurse wants (or is allowed) to waste so much time standing around doing nothing, and 99% of nurses don't know what difference it makes if you wait or not (doesn't feel different to them, does it?), they'll just go ahead and whack it in. Don't be such a wimp. Nearly over, bit of bleeding is normal for a few days.

Gnnnnn.

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Makes me glad I've not had to be hospitalized yet, not looking forward to that eventuality. As I mentioned, I've done some insertion play, and sometimes it hurt, but self-inflicted pain is always better than having someone else do it, IMO. I can stop whenever it hurts too much, and I have no one to blame but myself.

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The system does actually have an unflushed, stagnant part: The remainder of the catheter below the extra holes. During insertion and before the 'cut and cable tie', this part will be filled with urine that isn't going anywhere once the end is tied off. It would be a bacterial breeding ground.

This, as no user has reported an UTI appears to be of little or no consequence, which is good; but I'd still like to understand why it doesn't happen. Enlighten me, someone?

Perhaps a small weep hole should be added just at the bend or point that the ty-rab is placed. This would allow a small drip therefore keeping the end of the cath cleaned or flushed also.

Personally I think with the amount of flow coming down the cath and the length or distance an infection would need to travel to get in the balder our risk is somewhat low. This coupled with the use of cranberry juice hopefully will keep us all safe, happy and most of all very wet.

Besides, how is an infection going to form in a closed end of the catheter? If its growing in the wet diaper it would need to travel back up the cath and with the continued flow I don

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Wetman, you're correct about my plumbing, and probably the rest as well. When I was cathed I was already in huge pain so any more was much worse. I don't know exactly what was done or how-I was as doped up as they could get me and I really didn't want to know. Still it is something that the memories make me very hesitant to try. External pain I can deal with, internal pain I cannot, and where the cath goes is definitely internal.

I Started a thread on TENS experimenting in this forum so let's not hijack this one with that subject. Both are enlightening and interesting enough on their own to deserve their own threads ;)

Bettypooh

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Perhaps a small weep hole should be added just at the bend or point that the ty-rab is placed. This would allow a small drip therefore keeping the end of the cath cleaned or flushed also.

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I don't think that's such a good idea, as we're back to the original 'open catheter' with all the implications that we're trying to avoid.

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Personally I think with the amount of flow coming down the cath and the length or distance an infection would need to travel to get in the balder our risk is somewhat low. This coupled with the use of cranberry juice hopefully will keep us all safe, happy and most of all very wet.

Besides, how is an infection going to form in a closed end of the catheter? If its growing in the wet diaper it would need to travel back up the cath and with the continued flow I don

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Wetman I assume your British with you use of nappy, I'll be interested to know where you purchased your catheters from? Thanks...

Fettered Pleasures in London or ebay.

By the way: Liking your own posts is a bit like masturbation, isn't it?

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Personally I would very much like to try this. I already have urge incontinance and already flood when standing with no control after sitting or laying down for periods of time. My main thought for use was long car rides.

On a normal day in an office environment I can get by with not having to wear a diaper because I am within about 20 feet of a bathroom. More then 5 minutes from a bathroom then I need to start wearing some form of protection. Things change from day to day but on average a few hours a day I can find myself running to the bathroom every 20 minutes. Which can get a bit tedious at times. The main problem is that while sitting down it almost seems like a clamp is applied to my urethra and nothing comes out. I also have no feeling of needing to go while sitting as well unless I (let it go to long?) then I get not really a pain but more like a very uncomfortable throbbing inside. At this point as soon as I stand up I flood immediately with no chance of making it to a toilet even if I am 5 feet away.

This is where the long car rides thing comes in to play. I don't know if it is the way the seats in my sisters car is designed, I am short and usually on these trips I am made to sit in the back where the seats are not adjustable, but the uncomfortable throbbing thing I mentioned above is most common. This generally occurs every 20-30 minutes, and on car rides in excess of 5 hours ( our most recent return trip over thanksgiving was 13 hours) can be a royal pain in the you know what.

Question is. Would this technique work for me or, if this is actually a constriction of the urethra for some reason, would this not accomplish anything and leave me in the same boat. I guess I could go the normal catheterization route, but I would rather not have to deal with bags and the last time I left one "unplugged" in a diaper I got a rather nasty uti within about 8 hours. Almost thinking it may have been a small empty bladder allowing air back up the line?

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